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garrett modell obviously is known to all

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of us he has graduate degrees in applied

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for the last 23 years he's developed new

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thin film technologies as a professor of

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electrical engineering at the university

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of colorado at boulder

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his non-mainstream interests

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he wants you to know are experimental

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but since the members of the ssc have

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been so malicious to him by electing him

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president

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he hasn't had time to do experiments in

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the past year and so he

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asked me to apologize in advance that

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this is a theory paper

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thank you

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uh so today i'm going to talk about the

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possibility of retro causation and the

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possibility of the sort of thing that

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courtney dramatically just pointed out

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to us

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so why am i asking about this

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possibility if we know it's happening

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and that has to do with a response to a

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recent book put out by michio kakou and

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he the book is called the collapse of

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the foundations of physics

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uh he's oh i'm sorry the the book is

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called physics of the impossible and in

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it he said that if a retrocausation

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occurred it would violate causality and

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the fundamental ordering of cause and

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effect and it ultimately it would

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produce a collapse of the foundations of

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so the purpose of this talk

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is to resolve this impossibility of

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retrocausation

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and i will do this using the paradox of

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bilking and we'll talk about that what

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this presentation is how retro causation

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works or how psychokinesis works that's

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a a completely different

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subject so first i'll go over

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precognition and

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retro psychokinesis and describe what

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these phenomena are

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very briefly talk about experimental

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evidence for it

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then we'll talk about

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the compatibility with physics what sort

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of physics are we talking about

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i'll introduce the bilking paradox and

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use it along with information entropy to

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come to a resolution about the

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impossibility or not of retrocausation

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and then finally talk about some

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implications

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so precognition is knowing about

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something in advance of its happening

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is there evidence for this the answer is

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yes there's a lot of evidence there are

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published papers peer-reviewed and good

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uh without going into detail uh spotis

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recently described an experiment in

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which a randomly timed noise source was

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conductance their galvanic skin response

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seconds in advance of the noise going

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another experiment was by dean raiden in

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which he uh

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with electrodes on people's ears

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within roughly a second before uh light

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was randomly flashed the person's eeg

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showed signs of that

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people have even imaged the brain

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evidence in the brain parts of the brain

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in advance of a stimulus and so there

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are many experiments like this that

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regarding retro psychokinesis

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causing something to happen

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backwards in time there are many

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experiments on this a classic one was uh

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produced by schmidt in which he

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and later played that tape to a listener

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who was asked to use their intention to

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make the blips go more to one side or

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the other and they were able to do that

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despite the fact that the recordings

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the pair lab has done many many many

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generators and random mechanical

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they found that one could use

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psychokinesis to affect the output of

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these devices and it didn't matter

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whether it was done in real time before

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or after the event took place and there

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are many more experiments

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so these things exist

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yet we're being told that they cannot

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why am i asking the question is this

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compatible with physics is this just an

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idle intellectual exercise

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so there are a number of reasons one is

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just to be correct

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is kaku and other other people like that

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rejected out of hand well certainly not

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hand if you've got experimental evidence

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for it

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then second comes the question of

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understanding does our current logic

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extend to retro causation and in fact

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can we use the logic to help us

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understand retro causation and can we

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model the effect why is this important

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if we can model it we can start to

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understand the mechanism

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and finally what are the limits for

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retrocausation where can we expect it to

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can we make use of it

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uh what sort of physics are we talking

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about which supposedly is incompatible

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with retrocausation i've listed

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i'm not going to talk about newton's

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laws and causality or quantum mechanics

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those are dealt with elsewhere and

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there's no incompatibility in these

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cases but as i say i'm not going to talk

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about it now

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what about conservation of energy

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macrocyclokinesis so those would be

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poltergeists moving large objects things

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all evidence that i know of for these

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type of events

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they occur in forward causality in the

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sense the cause seems to happen before

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the event and there is an energy

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information transfer it is these type of

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events microcyclokinesis events that i'm

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and these have no problem with the

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conservation of energy because there

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then the other physical law which i

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think ends up being very insightful for

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thermodynamics to help us

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posed in terms of the grandfather

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paradox this is based upon a novel

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written by renee bargevell

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called the imprudent traveler and in

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this novel the protagonist goes back in

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time to kill his grandfather before his

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grandfather met his grandmother

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this i believe is not a well-posed

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problem why well first of all it's

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unnecessarily vicious

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uh but secondly and more importantly

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perhaps is that there's no evidence for

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this sort of retrocausation instead i

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want to pose a problem in which it's not

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an all or nothing situation but there

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are degrees of retrocausation

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and so what i'm going to be talking

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about is a lottery and in this lottery

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yesterday a number was chosen by some

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random process and today you decide that

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you would like to be the winner and you

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pk to affect the result yesterday

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is this possible and that's the problem

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that i pose

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in general this is called the bilking

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paradox in which you have an early event

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the lottery and its result

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that occurred yesterday

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retropk to affect it and the answer is

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yes there's no bilking problem with that

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in this case you totally you know

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completely the lottery result of

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yesterday and you ask can you build

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knowledge by

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affecting the lottery result yesterday

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to produce a different result than you

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know and the answer is no that's

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impossible

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so the interesting case is case three

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where you have partial knowledge

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of the lottery result you know some of

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the numbers but not all of the numbers

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maybe you heard some on the radio